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+Chips from Tube Time (Eric) / EMSL (Windell) => TTEMSL
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-Above: Eric numbering / original lot
+Above: TTEMSL numbering / original lot
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-Above: chips I got w/ my numbering, trying to preserve the original. 4/6 hard to read
+Above: chips I got w/ my numbering, trying to preserve the original labels. 4/6 were especially hard to read, and it seems like things may have diverged
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+e-mail I sent:
+As best as I can read your labels. They are now marked using a paint pen which is resistant to both general rub off and decapping process
+Note: S4/S6 are the lasered chips. These had less clear labels but I'm calling S4 the heavily lasered one and S6 the less heavily lasered one
+S4 reads a mostly uniform resistance due to severe laser damage. Therefore, it cannot be compared to anything
+All remaining parts consistently cannot drive reverse current on pins 5, 35, and 36 (ie could not put current through the ESD diodes). This appears to be consistent with 6502 pinout, meaning these are all likely 6502 of some sort, or at least were bonded like one
+While S3 does have relatively similar signature to the other parts, it shows significant divergences
+S1, S2, and S5, and S6 read relatively close. However, I see some issues such that S2 is out of spec on pin 2, 9 and 23. Possibly indicates ESD damaged part? The other 3 are close enough that differences could just be due to manufacturing variances.
+====== Package thickness ======
+Observation: S1 was milled to about 0.043". Typically this is a safe depth, with wires not appearing until at least 0.050" down. However S1 had the wires exposed at this point
+Theory: packages were sanded prior to remarking. Maybe this caused the depth creep up
+Result: probably not. Only very slight amounts were removed. While this may have contributed slightly, the wires and die are likely just higher (maybe unusually thick paddle). They do have gold leadframe which is uncommon
+Are:
+  * 1: 0.149
+  * 2: 0.149
+  * 3: 0.152
+  * 4: 0.150
+  * 5: 0.153
+  * 6: 0.145
 ====== Decap ======
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 Above: black top showing. Other chips had this too
+^ Sample  ^ Page                           ^ Package                                     ^ Package label  ^ Die                                    ^ Die label    ^ Note                                                                          ^
+| 1       |                                |                                             |                |                                        |              | Minor endmill damage                                                          |
+| 2       | [[mcmaster:mos:6502d|Link]]    | {{:mcmaster:mos:6502d:pack_top.jpg?300}}    |                | {{:mcmaster:mos:6502d:die.jpg?300}}    | MOS\\ 6502D  |                                                                               |
+| 3       | [[mcmaster:mos:6502d-2|Link]]  | {{:mcmaster:mos:6502d-2:pack_top.jpg?300}}  |                | {{:mcmaster:mos:6502d-2:die.jpg?300}}  | MOS\\ 6502D  | Counterfeit?\\ Severe corrosion during decap, suspect poor overglass quality  |
+| 4       |                                |                                             |                |                                        |              | Severe damage from laser                                                      |
+| 5       |                                |                                             |                |                                        | 3020\\ 0202  |                                                                               |
+| 6       | [[mcmaster:rockwell:6502f|Link]]                               |                                             | R6502F         |                                        | R650         |                                                                               |